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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://collegelife.fefc.com/2007/07/18/faith/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope in Action. A few years ago, in the summer time, I found myself sitting alone in my back yard, feeling very lonely, hoping that I’d find a girlfriend. At least, that’s what I said I was doing. But when you look a bit closer, it become obvious that just sitting alone in my back yard would never get me a girlfriend. In fact, by doing nothing to help me find a girlfriend, I wasn’t actually hoping for one, but instead wishing for one. We all have heard that ‘wishing upon a star’ song, or have been told to make a wish when blowing out the candles, or have dropped a penny in a fountain and made a wish. We all know that it does nothing. It doesn’t actually work. Wishing for something does not ever make it happen. Wishing is hoping without action. So then hoping is wishing with action. In order to hope for something, there must be a chance that it will actually occur. Otherwise you know it wont happen and your simply wishing for it. So the phrase “faith is hope in action” is redundant. There is no hope without action, that is wishing. Therefore a less redundant line would be that “faith is hope”. Faith in god, (that is to say, faith that there is a god) is Hope in god.

Knowledge, Assent, Trust. The model of what faith is that Greg talked about said that in order to have faith in something, you must first know about it (knowledge), you must then choose to agree with it (assent), and you must then rely on it (trust). This seems like a more in-depth view of what faith is. The two notions of faith do not necessarily contradict each other. In fact, I’ll attempt to put them together. Faith is, (that is, in order to have faith you must have): knowledge of what it is you are about to commit to. You must then choose to accept it (this is regardless of weather it is correct or not, for this simply involves your own choice). You must then put your trust in it, and rely on it. Finally, you must hope that it is correct, since you are now relying on it.

So, to have faith in God, is to first hear what others say is true about there being a God. To read the bible and see what it says God is. Then choose to agree with what you’ve learnt. (This one is tricky, in that some people will need to learn more than others about God, in order to justify to themselves the choice of agreeing in the existence of God.) Then you must rely on the existence of God. (This is also a tricky one, because it is difficult to find something to rely on god for.) Then, as you rely on it, you hope it will actually happen, else your wasting your efforts.

But I think “Faith is Hope” will do just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope in Action. A few years ago, in the summer time, I found myself sitting alone in my back yard, feeling very lonely, hoping that I’d find a girlfriend. At least, that’s what I said I was doing. But when you look a bit closer, it become obvious that just sitting alone in my back yard would never get me a girlfriend. In fact, by doing nothing to help me find a girlfriend, I wasn’t actually hoping for one, but instead wishing for one. We all have heard that ‘wishing upon a star’ song, or have been told to make a wish when blowing out the candles, or have dropped a penny in a fountain and made a wish. We all know that it does nothing. It doesn’t actually work. Wishing for something does not ever make it happen. Wishing is hoping without action. So then hoping is wishing with action. In order to hope for something, there must be a chance that it will actually occur. Otherwise you know it wont happen and your simply wishing for it. So the phrase “faith is hope in action” is redundant. There is no hope without action, that is wishing. Therefore a less redundant line would be that “faith is hope”. Faith in god, (that is to say, faith that there is a god) is Hope in god.</p>
<p>Knowledge, Assent, Trust. The model of what faith is that Greg talked about said that in order to have faith in something, you must first know about it (knowledge), you must then choose to agree with it (assent), and you must then rely on it (trust). This seems like a more in-depth view of what faith is. The two notions of faith do not necessarily contradict each other. In fact, I’ll attempt to put them together. Faith is, (that is, in order to have faith you must have): knowledge of what it is you are about to commit to. You must then choose to accept it (this is regardless of weather it is correct or not, for this simply involves your own choice). You must then put your trust in it, and rely on it. Finally, you must hope that it is correct, since you are now relying on it.</p>
<p>So, to have faith in God, is to first hear what others say is true about there being a God. To read the bible and see what it says God is. Then choose to agree with what you’ve learnt. (This one is tricky, in that some people will need to learn more than others about God, in order to justify to themselves the choice of agreeing in the existence of God.) Then you must rely on the existence of God. (This is also a tricky one, because it is difficult to find something to rely on god for.) Then, as you rely on it, you hope it will actually happen, else your wasting your efforts.</p>
<p>But I think “Faith is Hope” will do just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg B.</title>
		<link>http://collegelife.fefc.com/2007/07/18/faith/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s a helpful way of understanding faith: the KAT model - Knowledge, Assent, and Trust.

First you must have an object of faith (or Knowledge). Faith is not just a condition, an emotion, or something you catch (like a cold); it is a &lt;i&gt;disposition toward something or someone&lt;/i&gt;. For us Christians, what that something or someone is, is important. 

Second, you must assent to that something or someone, or have a &lt;i&gt;positive&lt;/i&gt; disposition toward it. This speaks more to the cognitive or rational side, for example, being able to say you believe that the chair will hold you.

However, faith does not end with assent; it must also have trust. This is where the heart comes in, for example trusting that the chair will hold you - actually sitting in it if necessary. True biblical faith as I understand it requires all three: Knowledge, Assent, and Trust, involving both the mind and the heart.

For me, I lived most of my early years thinking that faith was merely the first two. My Christianity was part of my identity, but honestly it wasn’t much more than a label; at most it was fire insurance (something I kept stored away, hoping I would never have to use it). My faith had little transforming impact on my life from day to day, and for that reason, I don’t think my faith was “true” until much later when I made Christ Lord of my life. That is when my life changed and my relationship with Jesus became much more real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s a helpful way of understanding faith: the KAT model - Knowledge, Assent, and Trust.</p>
<p>First you must have an object of faith (or Knowledge). Faith is not just a condition, an emotion, or something you catch (like a cold); it is a <i>disposition toward something or someone</i>. For us Christians, what that something or someone is, is important. </p>
<p>Second, you must assent to that something or someone, or have a <i>positive</i> disposition toward it. This speaks more to the cognitive or rational side, for example, being able to say you believe that the chair will hold you.</p>
<p>However, faith does not end with assent; it must also have trust. This is where the heart comes in, for example trusting that the chair will hold you - actually sitting in it if necessary. True biblical faith as I understand it requires all three: Knowledge, Assent, and Trust, involving both the mind and the heart.</p>
<p>For me, I lived most of my early years thinking that faith was merely the first two. My Christianity was part of my identity, but honestly it wasn’t much more than a label; at most it was fire insurance (something I kept stored away, hoping I would never have to use it). My faith had little transforming impact on my life from day to day, and for that reason, I don’t think my faith was “true” until much later when I made Christ Lord of my life. That is when my life changed and my relationship with Jesus became much more real.</p>
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